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If you'd like to contact me, please drop me a line at [email protected] Thanks!

Contents

Featured Article

The current system for the featured article is really not ideal. It's basically a manual copy&paste from an article into the featured article template. If we can get some help together in selecting and polishing articles to be featured, it would be worth the effort to set up an automatic system that rotates them. Lately edits in the Wiki have been a little sporadic, so I am not sure if we have the necessary manpower for this. I mean, the featured article is not protected - anyone can edit which article gets featured - yet, it wasn't changed in nearly a year. --Lupas 08:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't know much about automatic swapping, but judicious use of noinclude and includeonly tags seemed to work well with the Safe spot featured article. --Serps 14:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

New Features / Bug Fixes

I'd like to compile a list of most-wanted features and annoying bugs to get them added/squished in the next few weeks. Please post any suggestions and issues below (or in case you agree with posted issues already, please mark your support). --Lupas 08:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Advertising / Sponsor

I recently removed all ads from the site and looked at different options how Eve Wiki could go about maintaining itself. Given that Google Adsense causes problems with ISK sellers and the ad networks have a lot of otherwise dubious ads, I'd prefer to run the site without those. One option to do this is to go with selected sponsors instead and negotiate a fixed placement or revenue sharing model (similar to the Eve Online affiliate program). I believe this will make it possible to run the site with a lot less ads (as opposed to the ad-plastering that you nowadays see on a lot of wikis) while at the same time keeping out any 'undesired' elements. I'll try to get something like that online to see how it will be received. --Lupas 08:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

New Design

We're working on a new design for the site. Feel free to drop in your feedback.

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Not a fan of the new theme, rough on the eyes and info boxes don't display properly. Is there any way we could get an option for the original wiki theme other than the 'Modern' one? ~Sinxar

The info box colors are partially hard-coded, I need to change those one by one. If you come across any that I haven't changed yet, please post a link to them here. As for picking a theme - I can set up a second default theme, but then the boxes in that one would be hard to read. Maybe I can change the templates so they actually use colors from the CSS (instead of the hard-coded ones). --Lupas 10:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah ok. http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cynosural_System_Jammer http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Cynosural_Generator_Array http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Jump_Bridge and various other Stubs - sorry im a wiki editing nub and cant get this to format correctly.
Thanks - I fixed those. If you come across any others, please let me know. --Lupas 01:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice - the only thing I am not sure is whether we should change the current logo (the new one is good but I don't see how it is better, and it may confuse some people - brand recognition and such). Here's something to check out: new Wikipedia skin designed to be more new editor friendly: [1] --Piotrus 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the 'recognition' value might suffer a little. We'll probably need to prepare an announcement that let's people know 'hey, it's still the same site'. I have some doubts though if the logo we're currently using is 'creative/brandable' enough. It's not like we'll have t-shirts, trucker hats and coffee mugs, but some individuality with a unique, recognizable touch adds some personality I think.

Hey, Personally i dont like the star background and the red, I would suggest taking a screengrab from eve-online itself as a background if you want a spacey image. or a screenshot of the f10 map and use that instead of some random dots. othern then that i like the new color scheme --PreTender 18:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a big fan of the red either. I'll see if we can use something else that doesn't look some monotone (the problem with blue/white). As for the background - I prefer not to use copyrighted images as part of the actual site design as that could cause problems with branding further down the road. However, maybe we can find a more suitable 'space-background'. --Lupas 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Pictures from NASA are free to use for example a shot from the hubble http://thetruthorthefight.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hubble-eagle-nebula-wide-field-04086y.jpg
Good idea, I'll see if I can use one of those as background. --Lupas 01:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I've never been a huge fan of dark colored wikis. They're difficult to see and a bit stressful on the eyes. I mean, it fits with the whole space theme and everything (as well as the poorly colored EVE UI) but it's a question of form over function or vice versa. Probably not the coolest thing to hear after working on it for so long, but that's the truth of the matter. Sorry mate :( —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 16:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. It's definitely a point of concern. --Lupas 01:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

New design is currently being put online. I went with PreTender's suggesetion to use a real, NASA image as a background and adapted the colors of the CSS accordingly. I think this makes the background look less 'cheap' and the color scheme more harmonic. Front-page colors are 'hand-coded' so I'm modifying and matching those with the new site design now. Will also add a remark so users aren't confused. --Lupas 05:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

TBH I find it very distracting,no offence to your designing skills and effort though! But a Wiki is mostly for getting Information quickly at a glance. having 4-5 shades of purple isn't a good idea. Also nearly everybody is used to work with wikipedia wich is a simple black on white theme. White on Black isn't used often on popular commercial sites; (for a reason) But I'm guessing the thing's allready permanent and will stay this way so... cheers, --Veslan 09:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Feedback so far has been mixed - some liking it, some disliking it. Wikipedia uses the standard black/white, a lot of gaming sites use a dark background with light-colored text. I guess it comes down to personal preference. I'll keep an eye on the feedback and if most people will state they prefer the old format, I am not opposed to changing it back either. --Lupas 10:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I got rid of the purple parts in the CSS - that should also make it look more professional. --Lupas 05:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya just give us an option to change CSS design or something and make everyone happy ;-). Btw I don't like white on black either, but just my 2 cents. --Hobbes3k 08:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem with the Wiki is that a lot of the colors were hard-coded in the actual articles (or their templates). In theory, MediaWiki allows you to offer different themes that user can pick (e.g. the default Wikipedia style). However, the hard-coded colors in Eve-Wiki will make templates with other color sets hard to read. If anyone has a solution for this, I'd appreciate any feedback. --Lupas 10:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I personally thought things were great the way they were. Why fix what's not broken? If anything needs sprucing up it's not the background so much as content. Anybody else sick of the never-changing Featured Article? Also, just not a fan of dark wikis, i.e. Mass Effect's. Bjj8383 15:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a fan of the dark on dark either, very hard on the eyes. The blue on black is just horrendous, I much prefer the old colors. ) And some feedback from the forums: [2] --Ruziel 06:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:New Admin / Bureaucrat

Thanks for the update. So what happened with Pretender? --Piotrus 00:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

He pretty much retired. I am currently going through the Wiki and checking what can be improved. Two things I am looking at are a new design to make it look more Eve-like and a modifying the ads so the Wiki is ad-free for people who are logged in already. What are your thoughts on this? --Lupas 02:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
And just a few months ago I recall talking to him and he said something along the lines "I have played for years and I will play for many more...". Proves my point that no website that is not supported by a community that has access to backups is safe. Have you thought about porting this site to Wikia? I'd feel so much safer knowing that if something happens to the next owner the site can be easily resurrected. --Piotrus 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Good point. Integrating this site with into a network would probably make things like continuity/backup/server&domain management a lot more professional and reliable. The downside would probably be more ads, less control by users (vs. network) and, well, being under a 'corporate' umbrella. Maybe there's some middle path though - I'll think about some possible solutions to this. --Lupas 01:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
A thing to note about wikia is the horrid "Monaco" UI that they force upon everyone. At first they'll let you default to monobook but then the wikia administrators will just force a change to the new interface for consistency's sake. How do I know? http://pvx.wikia.com (formerly pvxwiki.com) and http://guildwars.wikia.com were two Guild Wars-related wikis that switched from self-hosting (the first one because the server owner went broke paying for it because of the massive traffic, the second because the server owner violated the CC license and sold it for tremendous amounts of money) to wikia hosting. Just log out and look at the advertisements that are everywhere. The interface is more cluttered and poorly designed- the history, watch, move, protect, and other such tabs are completely opposite the talk and page tabs. And the advertisements. That can't be stressed enough. If you're comfortable with those points, then yes, wikia hosting may be for you.
It's not all bad, though. Wikia does bring notable advantages like not having to worry about bills and increases in traffic- you'll have one of the largest userbases already registered to your site. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 16:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we can have the advantages of both worlds - professional hosting and backups without having to hand control over and plastering the site in ads. I removed all ads for now from the site while looking at options how we can handle this. --Lupas 05:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

So, Mgrinshpon suggested I ask you for some admin privileges. You up for it? -- Serps 14:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Saw your recent work and I was considering asking you already :). In other words - welcome on board! --Lupas 08:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
You may want to add additional admins because I can't access this site as regularly. I suggest Soren nyrond -- Serps 14:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DPL

On Electronic Counter Measures and similar pages such as ships, you might want to consider DPL (Dynamic Page Lists) for sortable categories of statistics. For an example, see [3].

There are some problems with DPL, however. DPL works by searching the wiki for pages with a specific template and then caching those pages. Those cached pages are put into a sortable list like the one in the above link. However, every time a page is updated in that list, the DPL has to remake the cache. Basically, it'll significantly slow down the website on pages with DPL enabled and increase bandwidth usage so it might not be for you. For some places, though, like ship category pages (e.g. Amarr ships), it might be very nice as a way for players to rapidly check the statistics of ships they can fly and compare them against each other. If you could respond to me on my talk page, I'd appreciate it as I don't play EVE anymore and only check in sporadically to check up on how everyone's doing. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 15:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Admin stuff

There are a few issues that I've run into. The first is the Current Events link on the navigation list to the left. The page has been deleted, but the link is still in the nav list.

In any page when comparing versions under history, it's white text on white background. The added and removed/changed text is in green and red respectively so it's still fine, but it's difficult to make any sense out of things without context. I usually just end up highlighting everything with my cursor...

There are also a lot of templates that use backgrounds in table items. They are also white backgrounds with white text. I'm not entirely sure what actions need to be taken for those. I guess would either backgrounds updated or templates changed?

Also there are a number of pages that show "Warning: Missing argument 1 for Parser::getExternalLinkAttribs(), called in /home/evewikiz/eve-wiki.net/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 1133 and defined in /home/evewikiz/eve-wiki.net/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 1433" sometimes just one line, or sometimes upwards of 6 like on this page. I guess it's some external link code error or something? --Adorol 03:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I am aware of the white background problem and have added the other points to my todo list. I hope I get a free weekend soon to get those issues sorted out. Can you let me know on which templates you saw backgrounds being used in tables? --Lupas 11:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately I didn't take a mental note as to which template(s) had the problem. It may have actually been a unique table I'm thinking of, though I'll let you know if/when I run into it again.--Adorol 14:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's a page that has the whiteout issue Passive Targeter I I believe the problem is in the templates, but it's definitely something that pops up regularly. --Adorol 17:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that one out. Yes, it's a template issue. Some templates are still set up for the old Eve Wiki design with the white background. I fixed this specific template. If you come across any others, please let me know. For any other admins looking to fix this - you can edit templates by looking up the template name (you'll see it in the article, it's preceeded by {{ ) and then edit the actual template by going opening it with like any other page with the prefix 'Template:. In the case of Passive Targeter I for example, the template used can be edited at http://eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Template:Module_Info --Lupas 02:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


Sorry for intruding, but could you tell me what would be involved in being an admin ? I lack web-design skills -- I am simply an EVE-punter who comes here. On the other hand, if I can help you, I'm willing to give it a try. -- Soren nyrond 07:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. yes, I should be honoured to be one of your admins -- that way I can clean up all the spam pages I've been blanking. I have no objection to people trying their hand at editring when it's relevnt, but I loathe and detest spammers sneaking onto wikis to post adverts -- especially the ones we get here, who aren't even grammatical about it -- Soren nyrond 07:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Spammers

I can't find a policy on enforcing policy (heh) so I took a wild guess and picked you to report them to...

The following users have made no edits other than spam: Reverse22, Lingming90, CameronArnold. I've reverted all their edits (except ones that someone else already got to). Ibeau Renoir 01:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for removing spam on the page! --Lupas 01:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


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